EVE Search - Reduce Thoraxes bay to 100m3


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Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.08.23 11:08:00 - [1] I love my thorax; I can't fly any other race's cruiser. But to be frank, the 200 m^3 drone bay is overkill, the thorax already is a superb blaster-ship. You can fit a full rack of medium blasters (Electron II's) in a balanced offensive/defensive setup while doing ~320 Dps before drones. Throwing in another ~170 DPS for 8 Ogres just makes it obscene. At maximum skills a total turret/drone damage of 503/sec is possible, that's not a 'gank' setup either. Ten Hammerheads is ~90 Dps, that's plenty on top of the damage from medium blasters. Swapping the Brutix and Thorax drone bays around could be a good idea, just got to be careful not to unbalance it next to the other Battlecruisers, a Pg/CPU boost in addition would probably be a step too far (you can already fit 7x Electron II's, Armour repairer/MWD with Adv.Weapon Upgs IV). The people who say cruiser suck are forgetting just how much æbang for your buckÆ you get out of them. Battlecruisers cost ~4x as much, are they 4x more effective?...I seriously doubt it. Tier 2 Battleships cost approximatly 15 times as much (example, Thorax:Megathron), is a blaster-equipped Megathron 15 times better than a blaster-equipped Thorax?...not a chance. Diminishing returns 4tw (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.08.24 09:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 24/08/2005 09:16:10 Cookie-cutter 1600mm plate/frigate turret setup's aside, the 8 heavy drones in addition to a decent Medium blaster setup (i.e. Medium Electron II's) turn it from a good ship to a gross ship. You can top 500 Dps thanks to 8 Ogres while still maintaining respectable armour (~1/2 Battleship armour) and repair ability (Medium II repairer). Halve the drone bay and you'd still reach over 400 Dps, that's more than ample - still sufficient to break a Dual Armour repairer Apocalypse tank solo. Take a well skilled 'cookie cutter' Tech II light neutron setup, that would still do over 300 Dps (234 for Tech II neutrons, spec. at IV, 78 for 9 hammerheads) - still enough to break an Apocalypse tank solo. There is no justification for the thorax having heavy drones. Oh and cruisers do not need anymore of a boost; there is perhaps a case for knocking the tracking of Long range Battleship Turrets down a peg, but not turning cruisers into cheap mini-Battleships, if you want that use a Battlecruiser (and no, the Brutix does not 'suck' ) (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2005.08.24 09:14:00 - [3] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 24/08/2005 09:43:13 Cookie-cutter 1600mm plate/frigate turret setup's aside, the 8 heavy drones in addition to a decent Medium blaster setup (i.e. Medium Electron II's) turn it from a good ship to a gross ship. You can top 500 Dps thanks to 8 Ogres while still maintaining respectable armour (~1/2 Battleship armour) and repair ability (Medium II repairer). Halve the drone bay and you'd still reach over 400 Dps (two slots devoted to damage), that's more than ample - still sufficient to break a Dual Armour repairer Apocalypse tank solo. Take a well skilled 'cookie cutter' Tech II light neutron setup, you could still do over 300 Dps with just two slots devoted to extra damage (234 for Tech II neutrons, spec. at IV, 78 for 9 hammerheads) - still enough to break an Apocalypse tank solo. There is no justification for the thorax having 8 heavy drones. Oh and cruisers do not need anymore of a boost; there is perhaps a case for knocking the tracking of Long range Battleship Turrets down a peg, but not turning cruisers into cheap mini-Battleships, if you want that use a Battlecruiser (and no, the Brutix does not 'suck' ) ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.08.24 12:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Dragon Slave Quote: Battlecruisers cost ~4x as much, are they 4x more effective?...I seriously doubt it. What kind of reasoning is that? Can a battleship beat 250+ frigates? Ofcourse not, it's a matter of how much ISK you're willing to pay for extra HP and firepower. Of course if you didn't snip out the entire post you would know what I was talking about.. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2005.08.24 12:45:00 - [5] Originally by: Dragon Slave Quote: Battlecruisers cost ~4x as much, are they 4x more effective?...I seriously doubt it. What kind of reasoning is that? Can a battleship beat 250+ frigates? Ofcourse not, it's a matter of how much ISK you're willing to pay for extra HP and firepower. Of course if you didn't snip out the entire post you would know what I was talking about.. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Gabriel Karade	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:17:00 - [6] The Thorax is brutal without 1600mm plate. You can fit Heavy Electron II's, a 400mm plate and Medium repairer II, or Heavy Electron II's, a 800mm plate and small repairer II. Either way you can easily do 500 DPS thanks to the 8 heavy drones while having up to 3K armour (\_/) (O.o) (> <) "That's no ordinary rabbit!...that's the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on"
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2005.08.26 15:17:00 - [7] The Thorax is brutal without 1600mm plate. You can fit Heavy Electron II's, a 400mm plate and Medium repairer II, or Heavy Electron II's, a 800mm plate and small repairer II. Either way you can easily do 500 DPS thanks to the 8 heavy drones while having up to 3K armour ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'

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